November 29, 2008 - 1:38pm
COLUMNIST

Et Tu, Prop 8. The battle belongs in the courts

The editor of this website, Jeff Mitchell, wrote on Thanksgiving Day about a Survey USA poll that “revealed both good and bad news for the opponents of the enacted ballot measure which bans gay marriage in California.”

“First, the good news: The survey company asked 198 voters who voted for the measure whether the recent street protests and boycotts had changed their opinion on the controversial issue. The answers showed that 8 percent responded ‘yes.’
 
“The bad news: 90 percent said ‘no,’ -- that the protests had no effect on their opinion and they still would vote for the measure.
 
“But by removing the stated margin of error, which was plus or minus 4.3 percent from that 8 percent who the protests had impacted their thinking on the issue, the remaining 3.7 percent difference means that if the Nov. 4 election were held over again today the measure would be in a near dead heat.”

More than other reporting done on the poll, Mitchell’s is a clearer take in that his analysis accounts for the margin of error. Mitchell fairly asserts that a do-over today would result in “a near dead heat.”   
 
Of course, if there is another same-sex marriage ballot initiative to vote on in California without a presidential election in which a candidate of color is running, there is widespread agreement that the “black vote,” which reportedly went 70 percent in favor of Prop 8, on a 2010 initiative would have less impact because fewer African-Americans would go to the polls.  (Charles Blow provided some insight on the black vote on same-sex marriage in Saturday’s New York Times.)
 
There’s some common sense there. In fact, I’d bet fewer voters overall would decide the matter. Usually when the election is relatively unexciting (Gavin Newsom for governor?), fewer casual voters go to the polls.
 
If that convention holds, then any new initiative will be determined largely by the base on either side. The “yes” side was better in 2008 at getting out their message, irrespective of the truth of many of their claims. In 2010, one senses from talking to all sides that the “no” side -– that is, those in favor of same-sex marriage being legal –- will not be as complacent as they seem to have been this year.
 
About the only way there might not be a same-sex marriage initiative in 2010 is if the California Supreme Court rules next year that the essence of Prop 8, that marriage is illegal unless it is between a man and a woman, is unconstitutional under the state’s (and the federal) constitutional equal protection clause. Then, it would seem, the battle stays in the courts.
 
A great reference and quick history lesson on the court battles over same-sex marriage can be found in the 2006 book The Holy Vote: The Politics of Faith in America by the journalist Ray Suarez. On page 104, toward the end of chapter five, titled, “To Have and to Hold . . . Over My Dead Body,” Suarez writes: “The fear and resentment of having gay marriage injected into society’s bloodstreams by the courts alone should not be dismissed as some dark obsession of conspiracy theories or the fundamentalist fringe.” Yes, he explains why and, among many other things, also illuminates the conservative argument for gay marriage. (I can’t do everything for you. Buy the book!)
 
Now, I know many will be upset, but the battle belongs in the courts.* The initiative process in California is fraught with danger. The vote on Prop 8 is a political example, one of many, of the ability of a majority to deny equal rights and privileges.
 
Still, as long as the initiative process is alive, I’d like to offer one up in 2010. I’d like to call it, “Et Tu.” In English it would have to be “You Too.”
 
Et tu is a phrase likely most well known from Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar when the dying Roman dictator, stabbed by Brutus, says, “Et tu, Brute?” Caesar, in real life (you remember real life, don’t you?) may not have said anything upon being given the shiv, but the phrase is widely interpreted as an expression of surprise that even Brutus, Caesar’s former BFF turned traitorous Roman senator, was a conspirator.**
 
A different take on this by many scholars is that Caesar was not so much asking a question, as in “Not you too, Brutus?” as much as he, Caesar, was issuing a warning. Without the question mark, Caesar’s alleged utterance could be taken to mean, you too will suffer this fate or, “you’re next, pal.”
 
To be clear on the lesson, as a later result of his assassination of Caesar, Brutus committed suicide. (I know! I’ve given away the ending, but the history is still worth reading.) It’s a “what-goes-around-comes-around” thing. That is how I would intend Proposition “You Too.”
 
The essence would be to show that if you go about trying to deny the rights of others, they might turn around one day and do the same to you and eliminate your right, say, to drive on the freeways, which seems to be the most cherished activity in California. That and talking on cell phones while driving on the freeways.
 
Could there someday be an initiative sponsored by GLAAD (Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation) to “eliminate the right of Mormons to drive on the California freeways while occupying the vehicle with a member of the opposite gender?” It might be called “The Same-Sex Driving Initiative.”
 
Or an initiative sponsored as a pretext by, oh, the KKK (Ku Klux Klan; an organization that doesn’t like, well, pretty much anyone, but especially hates black people) to “eliminate the right of 70 percent of any racial group that, as determined by unreliable exit polling, voted as a majority for Proposition 8 to drive on the freeways unless accompanied in the vehicle by a member of the same sex?”
 
At the end of the day (no religious meaning intended), I don’t want you and -- because I would, for example, seek to ban college football -- you don’t really want me deciding questions of fundamental liberty and fairness. I think it’s a dangerous task for the initiative process.
 
I want the courts to perform the delicate and vital function of balancing the rights of the individual with the interest and desires of the many.
 
Some call the many a “mob,” but I’ve likely already plenty annoyed those who would take offense at that characterization.
 
Vos teneo quisnam vos es.***

 

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*To keep up with the legal issues involved here, I recommend taking a look here where Vikram David Amar, the Associate Dean for Academic Affairs and a Professor of law at the University of California, Davis School of Law, has begun a series analyzing the arguments on Prop 8 before the California Supreme Court.)
 
**You can read a definitive text on this interpretation; John Henderson’s Fighting for Rome: Poets and Caesars, History, and Civil War. (1998: Cambridge University Press), but let me save you the $100-plus the book costs.  Or, take my word for the existence of the Henderson interpretation and rent the 1953 movie “Julius Caesar” and when Louis Callhern utters the line, pretend the question mark is gone. You can also buy the movie for about $15 on Amazon.com.
 
***You know who you are.

Alejandro Benes can be reached via email at alex.benes@politickerca.com.

Related topics: Proposition 8

Comments

Straight kickin' it


Everyone in CA has equal marriage rights. We can all marry one person of the opposite sex who is over eighteen and not a member of our immediate family. Everyone has this right and no one's rights are different from anyone else's. If this right prevents you from marrying the love of your life you are shit out of luck and probably require psychological help. At any rate, there is no civil rights issue here. Love is not the basis of legal marriage, and is no basis for any legal anything since it is utterly unverifiable. The point of marriage is not to enshrine your eternal love but to help stabilize society for social and economic reasons, including providing a healthy household for children to grow up in, which a "household" based on homosexuality is patently not. It is sick, sick, sick. The sooner people re-accept the obvious fact that homosexuality is a mental illness, the better off all of us will be.

12/09/08 2:05 am

Usurper


On Dec 5 the Supreme Court will either allow or disallow the usurpation of both the Constitution and the Government of the United States — easily the most pivotal decision since our nation’s founding — and the silence of the news media is deafening (if not downright scary).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH7rSHcvgU

11/30/08 2:48 am

I also got a kick out of


I also got a kick out of this statement...

The “yes” side was better in 2008 at getting out their message, irrespective of the truth of many of their claims.

IF somebody would like to read what is truthful I would suggest this site...

http://www.christianexaminer.com/Articles/Articles%20Dec08/Art_Dec08_10....

11/29/08 10:16 pm

Reply to Perpetua


Neither you nor I have to trust Prof. Amar, nor do you or I even have to agree with him or share his biases to take a look at writing by someone who's doing a considerable amount of thinking on the legal questions involved here. Of course, if you happen not to agree with the points Amar makes, the chance that you might learn form reading a different viewpoint can't hurt.

Or can it? I always get that confused.

11/29/08 6:17 pm

Reply to Perpetua


Neither you nor I have to trust Prof. Amar, nor do you or I even have to agree with him or share his biases to take a look at writing by someone who's doing a considerable amount of thinking on the legal questions involved here. Of course, if you happen not to agree with the points Amar makes, the chance that you might learn form reading a different viewpoint can't hurt.

Or can it? I always get that confused.

11/29/08 6:16 pm

Gay marriage and the California Supreme Court.


I am expecting prop 8 to be destroyed. I'm not going to go into detail why I think it will, and unanimously, because it's not the point of my comment. One important fact is that everybody who had a constitutional right was granted them by a court, or the original authors of the constitution. A women's right to vote was never voted on. A black person's right to vote was never voted on. A mormon's, a catholic's, an evangelical's right to practice religion was never voted on in California. But, I would support a ballot measure to challenge that right. I wouldn't support it to pass a ban on those bigoted religions, but I would support it to rub the bigots/zealots nose in their own shit!

11/29/08 6:03 pm

The Link for Vikram David Amar


Hi,

I went to the link you recommended by Vikram David Amar and quickly discerned that it was written in a dishonest/ biased way. Just look at these two misrepresentations in the beginning paragraphs:
1) He misrepresented the history by language that made it seem as if Prop 8 was written as a response to the May ruling. "After the California Justices' May decision, opponents of gay marriage promptly gathered and submitted signatures to qualify an initiative measure (known today as Prop. 8,". But that ballot amendment was already in the signature gathering process when the ruling was released.
2) He minimized the vote in favor of Prop 8 with the word "slim" here: "a slim majority of California voters (about 52%)." Prop 8 won with 52.3% of the vote which is decisive.

If we can't trust the guy to present the historical facts in an honest and straightforward way, why should we trust him with legal issues? Or do you just like his work because you share his biases?

11/29/08 5:52 pm

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