OROVILLE - State Sen. Tom McClintock (R-Thousand Oaks) and Roseville Democrat Charlie Brown had plenty of areas of disagreement - and even a few where they didn't - in a League of Women Voters forum Thursday night.
The men competing to replace U.S. Rep. John Doolittle (R-Roseville) in the 4th Congressional District painted largely unwavering positions, with McClintock as a small government, more freedom advocate and Brown as the career military officer with an outsider perspective on governance.
Questions covered most of the issues the two men have quarreled over on the campaign trail: energy, economic policy and the Iraq war.
The forum format, allowing one-minute answers to questions from a panel of media and the audience, didn't allow much direct conflict. But both McClintock and Brown veered from the format to frequently give one-minute rebuttals to each other's answers in addition to their own answers.
McClintock said Brown's judgment was in question when he attended an anti-war rally in 2005 where a symbolic soldier was hung in effigy. McClintock's campaign has maintained that Brown was in military uniform.
"Why would you attend a rally where an American soldier was hung in effigy when real soldiers were in harm's way?" McClintock said.
Brown noted that Doolittle made a similar charge when the two men competed in 2006. "You don't want to show the video of the funerals I've been to for veterans.
"There's a big difference between when I'm in my full military dress blues and when I wear a jacket that's in my closet," Brown said, after explaining that the jacket he wore at the rally wasn't part of his uniform.
Brown also called on McClintock, who has represented a Southern California district in the state legislature, to move to the 4th Congressional District now that the legislative session is over.
McClintock said he couldn't do so because of the possibility of a special session, but that he would once elected. He also noted that he lived in the district for three years in the mid-1990s.
McClintock opposed the earmarks that Doolittle had success in bringing to the district; Brown said that while earmarks were bad, bringing back the district's fair share of tax revenues was not.
The Auburn Dam, a long-proposed hydroelectric project within the district, came up more than once, with McClintock calling it a clean-energy boost and a needed water storage unit.
"At a time when Roseville is threatened with water rationing, in one of the most water-rich areas in the country, to ignore this critical project is simply insane," McClintock said.
But Brown pointed out that even congressional Republicans have balked at the project's cost, and said other alternative energy projects, such as a proposed wind farm in Lassen County, held greater potential.
The economic package being discussed in Washington D.C. was also discussed, with Brown saying the plan, while imperfect, needs to be passed to restore lines of credit.
McClintock said the moves Brown advocated for were the same recipe that brought on the Great Depression.
"You are literally making the same mistakes as Herbert Hoover," McClintock said, after Brown spoke in favor of a tighter money supply.
But not all topics were contentious. The two men generally agreed that recent farm bills have been bad, that forest management needs an overhaul, and that unrecognized members of American Indian tribes should be processed more quickly at the federal level.
In closing statements, each spoke again of their background and philosophies.
"This is about getting results," Brown said. "I think it's time to have someone in Congress who's like you, who pays his mortgage, who's put his kids through school here."
McClintock pointed out that Brown's experience as a retired U.S. Air Force lieutenant colonel was not the same as McClintock's lengthy political experience.
"If we were running for a position in the military, I would defer to him," McClintock said. "That's not what we're running for.
"I believe our prosperity is based in our freedom. And I believe our problems are based in our public policy."
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One trillion bucks
That is how much money we have blown in these bailouts. We are tired of the extortion that they fob upon us saying that the economy will nosedive and will wreck our country.
Let me tell you something. The whiz kids in FDR's administration dreamed up all of these wonderful alphabet programs to get us out the Great Depression. Let's lift the fiction and state the facts that unemployment rates throughout the 1930s remained at double digits or above until the outbreak of World War II.
As Don Meredith used to say on Monday Night Football: "Turn off the lights, the party over. All good things must come to an end."
McClintock's prescription to
McClintock's prescription to fix the financial crisis is to repeal the capital gains tax and partially pay for that by abolishing all farm subsidies.
That adds up to a net $100 billion. And it's not clear how that helps remove the cloud over the huge amount of questionable debt in the system.
The problem is there is no orthodox conservative solution to the problem that orthodox conservative economic policy created.
Brown is right to support the relief plan, and McClintock is one of the dead-enders who hasn't woken up to the fact that it's not 1984 anymore.
Oh Battersea
Be kind to us. Tom took per diem and is wasting the taxpayers money. Oh never mind that Charlie would vote for $100 BILLION for pork. Remember he served out country and cares for us. PerDiemGate!! PerDiemGate!! ... reboot ... PerDeim Gate!!
Bailout Brown
Yeah, that's right. A man who would have voted for a pork-laden bailout bill that contains over $100 BILLION in bacon. HAHAHAHA. What a maroon!! HAHAHAHA...um oh I forgot...Charlie served his country. Charlie served his country. Charlie served his country. Hey would someone turn off that robot down the hall!! I gotta watch Brain of the Living Dead on Creature Features!! Wish you well Bob Wilkins!!
Sorry...
It was Bear Stearns and not Lehman Brothers. With so many bailouts, I lose count. But Charlie served his country and will care for us.
Charlie might care for you....
but will there be any money left to care? Tom warned that the state budget was already out of whack and now Arnie is pleading for another $7 Billion from the feds.
We bailed out Lehman Brothers, AIG, Freddie Mac, Jimmie Mac, Big Mac, Mac Davis, Davis Bacon and a big $700 Billion bailout of Wall Street with enough pork to hear oinking noises from the moon and now Charlie wants to do all of these things to care for the people?
Charlie served his country and Tom didn't? So what. Geroge McGovern served his country and received the Distinguished Flying Cross, yet he was the candidate of abortion, acid and amnesty.
Per diem cheat? What about all of those people who saved money and invested in retirement accounts who will see their value wiped out by inflation brought about by this heinous bailout. It is time to feel the pain JW and get off your flowery bed of ease.
Folks I live in Ventura
Folks I live in Ventura County and know McClintock from his 20 years representing us down here. McClintock puts ZERO PRIORITY on providing constituent services to the people that elected him. Mail goes unanswered. His staff is rude. I would hate to have a person like that as my congressman if I ran into some kind of problems with the bureacratic federal government. Tom McClintock has never held a job outside of government and is the number one "per diem" welfare cheat in California. Tom is in it only for the government paycheck not because he cares about you. Unlike Charlie Brown Tom McClintock hasn't even spent one hour serving his country. And yes I am a Republican who actually made the mistake of voting for him.
Auburn Dam ? On an earthquake fault?
It's hard to believe that McClintock is trying to resurrect the Auburn Dam proposal, a Doolittle-leftover from the promises he made his handlers when he first ran.
There's a couple of basic reasons the Auburn Dam proposal has fallen on deaf ears in Congress -- cost and safety. Even Doolitlle, while he was the sixth-highest ranking Republican in Congress and the Republicans held the majority, couldn't muster the political support for it.
Building a multi-billion dollar dam on an earthquake fault just doesn't make sense, and it's only one example of why McClintock is unqualified to represent CA 04.
Bud Lee
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